An elevated neck joint is essentially an extension of the neck shaft over the guitar top. This makes for a very flat and solid transition from the neck shaft to the guitar body for the fingerboard. Many players find that the elevation of the fingerboard above the guitar’s top allows for considerably easier approach to the frets above the neck/body join. The traditional guitar look is maintained (at least from the front view) and valuable real estate of the top is preserved for sound production, which is otherwise lost with a cutaway design. The height of the elevation varies a fair amount among makers, but players tell me that not that much is needed to achieve easier access to the frets. Mine measures 14 mm to the bottom of a standard thickness fingerboard at the 12th fret (where the neck heel meets the body)
I have made two guitars with this feature and did not find much information about successfully pulling this off at the time. I few folks have asked me about it recently, hence this post. My documentation at the time of making was not done with a tutorial in mind, but there may be enough here to inspire your own approach or get you through what I did. I found the joint to be logical, straightforward and in several key aspects, an improvement over more traditional neck joints.
This photo illustrate several key points. First, the fingerboard is pinned to the neck shaft with a couple of small dowels, and is easily removed. There is no built up heel at this point. A shim has been taped to the guitar top to allow for neck alignment and obtaining the correct neck angle (minus frets) A single small dowel pins the neck shaft (temporarily) to the top near the guitar’s end, allowing it to pivot to align the neck with the shim. The correct location is marked with tape on the top on either side of the neck shaft. Planing the underside of the neck shaft allows neck angle adjustment. The neck shaft is re-clamped with the proper alignment, without the fingerboard. Two more small dowels are drilled through the neck shaft into the top near the sound hole to lock the alignment.
The built up heel block is then fit to both the guitar body and the underside of the neck shaft. To fit the block to the body, the neck shaft was first removed, the curve of the body was roughed into the end-grain of the block with a sanding drum and refined to a close fit with sandpaper taped to the guitar body where the block contacts it. You could also hold the block in place and pull the sandpaper to abrade the contact surface.
[Note: before all of this the internal neck block and tail block were glued to the sides and then the sides and neck block were dadoed on the table saw to create a neck mortise, seen below]
Also, as a sidebar, I made an unconventional neck block with solid mahogany and shop-made mahogany plywood, that is both extremely strong, relatively lightweight and satisfies wood movement considerations in all directions (this guitar has cross-laminated sides).
Once the heel block was fitted to the underside of the the neck shaft as well, I dadoed a mortise into it with the same table saw setup used for the neck block, then glued in a “loose tenon” of hard maple. I drilled the tenon for vertical pins to resist mechanical pull.
The pre-drilled holes in the neck block were used to mark locations for lag bolts which were installed in the neck. Then the neck was shaped. For the glue-up I used a couple of light beads of liquid hide glue under the neck extension. The glue was thinned a bit to weaken it for easy removal if needed in the future. Only the two locating pins, barely protruding, nearest the fingerboard end, were used in the glue -up.
Perhaps this post will answer some questions and help someone else through the process. Perhaps it will just inspire more questions, or even a very different approach!
David,
This method is brilliant, I am working on a couple of resonators at present that I will incorporate this neck joint.
Love the simplicity of the two morticed surfaces with a floating tenon, plus the vertical pins for stability.
Thanks and let me know how they turned out. I was surprised by how well the joint works with the guitar.
Thanks for these pictures and explanations about your process. It appears that in developing this joint the saddle and bridge are at a normal height so the angle of the neck is obtuse. Is this correct?
It’s been awhile, but as I recall the neck angle was pretty typical, slightly acute I believe. Viewed from the side, the sides narrow and angle downward from the bridge to neck joint, tapering the body in relation to the neck angle, mitigating any significant change in the angle of the heel.
Are the dowels you placed in the joint on the neck itself or in the neck block, or both?
There are two sets of dowels. One pair indexes the fingerboard to the neck so it may be glued in the exact location it is in while doing the fitting which comes next. The other set pins the extension of the neck over the body onto the top, but the dowels are placed in two separate operations. First a central dowel locates the neck extension to the top and it is placed on the mid-line of the top and the neck very near the neck mortise. This centers the neck/fingerboard, but allows the assembly to pivot so the edges of the fingerboard may be precisely aligned with the shim that represents the bridge location. When the neck/fingerboard are aligned with the shim, I marked the sides with tape on the top, removed the fingerboard, clamped it lightly and drilled two more holes for dowels through the neck shaft into the top near the sound hole so the neck can now be pinned into proper alignment with the shim/bridge.
Hi. What top radius of curvature do you find best for this construction ?
The top is flat in the vicinity of the fingerboard, with slight radiusing in the fan-brace area.